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Good evening. For two thousand years the miracle stories have been part of a Christian

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tradition, the curing of the sick, the raising of the dead, the feeding of the five thousand.

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But do miracles still happen today? Every year millions of devout Christians make their

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way to shrines such as Lord hoping for a miraculous cure. Tonight we look at two case studies

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of what believers claim are modern day miracles. In our second story the evidence was so convincing

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that even the Vatican was compelled to take note. But first the story of a woman who thought

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she was dying of an incurable disease. Now she's well, but was it a miracle? No, we've

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a grand day for traveling, Marion. Sunday the 3rd of September, 1989. Marion Carroll

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begins the journey which will change her life. Diagnosed as Sevillea with multiple sclerosis,

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she was taken from her home in Athlone, County West Meath on a pilgrimage to a small village

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in the west of Ireland. I've never prayed for a cure in my life, but I did trust the

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Lord. Whether I lived or I died, he knew what was best for me. But the story began 20 years

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ago when Marion with a young family to look after experienced the first signs of a mystery

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illness. I woke up one morning and my leg felt numb and there was a pain in my leg.

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I thought I was dancing the night before. She was sent to a psychiatrist because her

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doctors in Athlone could find no physical explanation for her problems. I asked her,

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is it my nerves? I said, my husband's in the army and he's away a lot. And I have to be

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mother and father. I'd like to be able to pull myself together. And he said no. If all

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my patients come in like you, I'd be over job. But in 1978, a specialist raised the

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specter of a terminal illness. Mr. Cairne says, your wife's got MS and I said, sorry doctor,

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I don't know what MS is. And he says multiple sclerosis and I said, I still don't know because

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I've never heard that word before. The disease leads to progressive deterioration and there

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is no known cure. Marion began to suffer from kidney infections, blackouts and the loss of

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power in her limbs. She became almost completely dependent. I had a special chair that Marion

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had to be washed every morning and I used to put her into the chair and bring her down

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to the bathroom and shower and put her back in the bed again. I was just like a baby in

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a pram. Had to be washed, fed, changed, moved. As they approached the shrine of Nock in County

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Mayo, Marion was at an all time low. Her husband told me that Marion didn't want to go to the

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ships after getting one of these kidney infections. You know, I felt myself, well, she can't have

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a whole lot of time left. Wounded to myself, was there going to be a waste of time bringing

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her to the funeral even. But we carried on. The shrine of our lady in Nock draws over a

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million pilgrims every year. They come to visit the place where the Virgin Mary is believed

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to have appeared to 15 villagers in 1879. Marion was brought here to the reception ward for

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the first time in the last 10 years. The first time in the last 10 years, Marion was brought

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here to visit the place where the Virgin Mary was believed to have appeared. The first time

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in the last 10 years, Marion was brought here to visit the place where the Virgin Mary was

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crucially in. The sick are brought into the Basilica to be anointed and it was here that

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Marion was taken on the afternoon of the 3rd of September 1989. Put me in the center, right

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under the statue of our Lady of Nock and I said to her, you're a mother too. You know how I feel.

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I knew I was going to die and I had been praying, asking Jesus and Mary to let me live long enough

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to see Corin and Anthony out of their teenage years.

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Marion felt restless throughout the service, but it was that communion that her remarkable

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experiences began.

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Body of Christ.

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After I received Holy Communion, I got a very bad pain in both my heels, which was very unusual.

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And I realized something that I received Holy Communion normal, which I hadn't been able to do

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in a long, long time. Also that pain that came in my heels, that pain went and when that pain went,

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every pain in my body went with it.

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It was during the blessing of the sick that Marion experienced her most intense feelings.

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And when he came in front of the stretcher and he held it up and he blessed me, it was at that time,

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I got this beautiful feeling, a magnificent feeling. And I could whisper, breeze, telling me

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that if the stretcher was open, that I could get up and walk.

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Marion was returned to the ward where a doctor's wife, Mary, was taken to the hospital.

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The wife was one of two witnesses to the miracle she claims.

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Lula, would you think I was crazy if I said I thought I could walk?

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Not at all, Marion. It's been a long day. You must be tired out now. You'll be away home soon.

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No, no. I really think I can. Whichever under the straps.

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I can't do that, Marion. I'd have to get a nurse. Shall I fetch Maureen?

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Yeah, yeah, do.

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All right.

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I said I would ask nurse Maureen, which we did, and it was Maureen who came over and opened her straps.

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Now, Marion, can I help you?

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I mean, I want to get up. I think I can walk.

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Now, Marion, you know you can't.

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But if the strange is failing, something happened in there. Please undo the straps.

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All right, Marion.

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I thought maybe she'd been a long time lying on the stretcher and that the straps were tight.

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So I said I'd undo the straps for her and then she wanted me to take the blankets off.

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Take it easy, Marion.

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What have I made?

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Take it easy. Be careful.

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She tried to move her legs off the stretcher.

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Oh, mind.

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Easy, Marion. Be careful.

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We gave her, I suppose, a little help.

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Good girl.

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Easy, easy, easy.

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Leave me now. I can do myself.

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Now, leave me. Leave me, leave me, leave me.

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We were trying to help her and she kept doing this.

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Go away and don't touch me.

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She had a good catheter and urine bag and they were dragging on the floor and I really didn't know what to do with her.

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When I stood up and knocked, just right in front of me, I seen my own heart

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and I was so full of joy and peace, it was like looking directly into the sun.

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The Carroll family immediately contacted their parish priest with news of the cure.

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When I got the phone message, I just took it for granted that Marion was either dead or dying.

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Marion's cure and miracle was just as spectacular and sensational as any of the great gospel miracles.

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Six years on, Marion Carroll has not had an ache or a pain, but was her recovery a miracle?

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Such claims are dealt with first by the Nock Medical Bureau.

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Marion arrived very disabled and went home carefully cured as testified by her own personal position the following day.

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For someone to make such a dramatic and instant cure immediately raises a medical interest as to exactly what was going on here.

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It's Dr. Marion's job to establish whether Marion's recovery can be explained medically.

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It has been the experience sometimes looking at cases of people who have been cured.

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We find that in point of fact they have not been suffering from what they thought they were.

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Perhaps there is no more difficult disease to get a variance of opinion among the medical profession, particularly in the early stages than multiple sclerosis.

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I will be done, I'll make it.

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Marion's medical records show that there were doubts about the diagnosis in Marion's case.

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In 1981, one specialist noted mild multiple sclerosis with functional overlay, suggesting that Marion was exaggerating her symptoms.

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But the records also document her deterioration in walk and muscular power and many other signs of the disease.

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Marion's recovery has puzzled many doctors including her own GP, Dr. Patrick Omara.

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It was an incredible sight. I can't explain it. I don't think anybody can at this stage. It was something that I certainly had never seen before and I'm unlikely to see again.

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The doctors involved in Marion's case will attend a medical commission at the shrine next year.

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If they cannot explain her recovery, it will be left to the church to decide what happened at Nock that day.

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Sometimes we actually need to feel, touch and see God's love because we're so human. That's why I'm sitting here now with you talking.

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It's not my gift, it's a gift to the people. Why he chose me, I don't know.

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Sceptics might say that Marion's recovery is no more than a remission, a common feature of MS.

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But doctors in her case point out that remissions are normally not as complete and rarely last as long. The jury is still out in Marion's case.

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This is a book of saints, but it's already out of date and new saint may be proclaimed at any time.

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Candidates for sainthood have to be officially investigated and approved by Rome.

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A would-be saint has to have proof of one or two miracles attributed to their power of intercession.

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No miracles, no sainthood.

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Tonight our second story takes us to Philadelphia, to a family that prayed for just such a miracle and got one.

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You ready to go for a bike ride? Want to see the ducks down the river? Back here? Good.

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Thirty-five-year-old Robert Gutterman lives with his family in Philadelphia.

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Look at the pretty flowers there on the tree.

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He believes he owes his life to a miracle.

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Twenty years ago he was rushed to St. Christopher's Hospital in severe pain.

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What began as a simple earache had turned into a brush with death.

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This young man had what we call an acute mastoid infection.

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When the doctor examined his ear on the operating room table,

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he found that part of the bone that separates the ear to the brain had already been destroyed,

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exposing the covering of the brain, which is called the dura mater.

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the boy would have ended up with either a meningitis or a brain abscess and death.

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After the operation, the doctors told Robert's mother they believed they had saved her son's life,

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but his hearing would be permanently damaged.

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Mrs. Gutterman, a devout Catholic, prayed for his recovery.

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Ear surgeon Dr. Miles Terz have been forced to abandon the operation and was expecting further problems.

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There was so much disease, I made the judgment, the decision,

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that the best I could do would be to clean it out as much as possible

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and stay away from all those things that could give him a serious, significant,

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or conceivably life-threatening complications from the procedure.

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But there was a remarkable development on the very evening of the operation.

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Who's calling me? Somebody's calling my name.

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No, Bobby. It's just a noise outside.

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But I heard somebody calling me.

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It's not you, Bobby. It's just somebody else in the corridor.

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Now go back to sleep. Go back to sleep now.

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Mrs. Gutterman was convinced that, against all the odds, her son's hearing was perfect.

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Nurse?

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Well, I remember the next morning when the doctor came in,

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my mother had told him that I can hear,

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and I remember him looking and saying,

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no, we already told you that there's too much damage there

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and that he'd never be able to hear out of that ear.

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But Mrs. Gutterman's certainty that a miracle had happened to her son

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persuaded Dr. Tertz to carry out an immediate test.

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The results showed a return to normal hearing.

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I have no explanation.

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If you ask me, what did I do to get that outcome,

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I will tell you I didn't do anything to get that outcome.

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Thank you, doctor.

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So extraordinary was Robert Gutterman's recovery

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that the Archdiocese of Philadelphia set up a series of special tribunal hearings

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to examine the case in detail.

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The father, son, and holy ghost, amen.

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We ask you for the strength and wisdom we need to carry out our task today.

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We pray this through Jesus Christ.

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Acting on rules set down by Rome for the investigation of miracle claims,

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the tribunal set about interviewing key witnesses.

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Do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth

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to all the questions placed before you?

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I do, father.

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What is your name?

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Beatrice Marie Gutterman.

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And what is your relationship with Robert?

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I am his mother.

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Dr. Tertz set out the clinical picture to the tribunal.

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Well, the mastoidectomy showed an ear which was filled with granulation

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and a middle ear which was also filled with granulation.

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The ossicles are small bones in the middle ear crucial for hering.

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They seemed to have grown back.

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The doctor was absolutely amazed.

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When he examined him, he said, I don't believe it.

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He is actually reconstructing anatomy.

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I asked what that meant.

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And he said that the flesh was fusing together to repair the hole in the drum.

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He asked what we did that his other patients don't do.

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Both Robert and I said, we pray.

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Having exhausted all the medical possibilities,

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the tribunal required evidence that prayer had been instrumental in the cure.

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Mrs. Gutterman told the tribunal how she had turned to the sisters

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of the Blessed Sacrament Order near her home.

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Sister, may I please speak with you?

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She knew us because her son had been an altar boy here.

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And so she came to us to ask the Lord to help him bear the pain.

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That was the first thing.

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Then she asked if he could only be well.

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The nuns prayed to the founder of their order,

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Mother Catherine Drexel, who died in 1955.

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She was an heiress who gave away a fortune to the poor.

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The sisters believed strongly in her power to bring about healings.

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I can't explain the hearing.

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The only way I can explain it is that the hearing was lost and now it's there.

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Whatever he was doing in that middle ear,

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I would love to take a look at that middle ear now.

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The tribunal agreed that Robert should be asked to submit to another examination of his ear,

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which would show, once and for all, if the damage really had repaired itself.

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People were out in the sun and all.

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It was now 13 years since the original operation.

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A new test on Robert's ear was conducted with the latest technology.

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The examination was carried out by one of America's foremost ear specialists,

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Professor Louis Lowry.

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Against all expectations, there were no signs of the earlier damage.

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This is the ear drum here.

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This is the malleus here, which is the first icicle or bone.

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When we examined Robert Gutham and we could see this tympanic membrane or the ear drum,

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which appeared normal, we could also see the malleus.

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Just from physical exam externally, it looked quite normal.

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What's the explanation from no icicles in 74 to normal icicles in 87?

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I keep repeating, I don't make the judgment what's a miracle and what's not,

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but it's certainly not explainable by my medical career.

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We as non-clergy do not have the right to deal in miracles,

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but to the best of our knowledge, we felt it was something that we could not explain.

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The Archdiocese of Philadelphia had shown there was a miracle case to answer.

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Now it was the turn of Rome to provide the final say.

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The Vatican's archives contain the records of miracle investigations going back to the 16th century.

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The evidence in the Guthamon case was painstakingly reexamined by Rome's own medical and theological experts.

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The process is rigorous, and many cases fail at this final stage.

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Quite an amount of study by highly qualified experts is necessary.

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That is the most important requirement, because we do believe in miracles,

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but we are not eager to presume a miracle.

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It has to be proved and proved up to the hill.

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If there is any lingering doubt, we will just cast it out.

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The next stage was for Robert's case to be heard by the Cardinals of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints in the Vatican's Apostolic Palace.

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We were allowed a brief glimpse of their secret deliberations.

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It was this committee that passed Robert's case unanimously in 1987.

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After all the preparations, it goes to the Holy Father, and he signs the decree.

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He is ultimately, in all these matters, the final judge.

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When he puts his signature on it, the sing is official, and only then it's official.

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Robert's cure was declared miraculous by the Pope.

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The decree put Catherine Drexel on the road to St. Hood.

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She was beatified in a ceremony in Rome in 1988, attended by the Guttemann family.

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The guys at work were kind of shocked when I ended up on the 6 o'clock news.

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They looked at you and they sort of said,

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well, gee Bob, you're the regular guy.

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You know, you go out and you have a couple beers with the boys, and how could this be?

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You know, and again, it gets very kind of difficult because God doesn't just show up to the Holy people,

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or to, you know, the worst of people.

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God loves us all equally.

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The blessed Catherine Drexel needs one more miracle attributed to her, and then she'll become St. Catherine.

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And Robert Guttemann, well, he remains one of those rare hospital patients who can honestly say he's had a miraculous recovery.

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Good night.